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Moving to SI usints is usually a recipe for confusion so I'll speak automotive  :)

The test protocol in WIS talks about using Tech II to activate different modes, with a low of 1.9 bar, then in ranges typically from 2.3-2.6 bar all the way up to 2.9-4.9 bar

Thinking about the B2x5 engines they operate at 3 bar, without adjustment for boost, so it is reasonable to expect that the later cars should be capable of a flow at least equivalent to thar derived for the 3 bar pressure, though perhaps less because there is, as you said, no fuel return.  2 litres / minute flow is also a handy test value for cars of this sort of power.

If you don't have the test gear (and why should you), then perhaps you can run a flow test, which may also illustrate a restriction in the pipe ?

As you suggest, 2 bar pressure does seem low, can you perhaps use Tech II to do an internal measure on the different operating modes ?

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New Saab 9-5 (2010 on) / Re: 9-5 NG Rescue project
« on: 06 May 2024, 06:24:37 PM »
I have had at least two sets delaminate on OG 9-5's - on road cars I have tended to use Pagid (Mintex)

On the NG 9-5's this car arrived with one delaminated, and to get me through the MOT just chucked in one of the spares from the petrol NG. The disc was a little damaged already, because of the failure, so perhaps it was more grabby than usual, but not enough to show on the rollers.

I one tried EBC Greenstuff as an alternative to Mintex M144 (yes, that long ago). They were not as good, suffered from fade and apparently caused terror in the EBC technical department when they got to hear the application I had tried them on....

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New Saab 9-5 (2010 on) / Re: 9-5 NG Rescue project
« on: 06 May 2024, 05:28:04 PM »
A few more jobs done:

One of the pads (OSR outside) had delaminated meaning these was much scraping of backing plate against disc - this is becoming a recurring problem on pads recently, I suspect "better for the environment" adhesives as this never used to happen.

I put new Brembo discs & pads on and a partial fill with V-Power and saw a significant rise in mpg, now up to 45 rather than the 40 I got on the trip home on Thursday. I'll put the standard diesel in tomorrow to see if it's the fuel or just the friction reduction that's brought the benefit

It seems that over the past few weeks the car has decided it can get 580+ miles out of a tank of diesel, so the internal calculator seems to be working correctly once again. Unless of course, this is down to different levels from the two sensors, one being used for the fuel gauge, the combined being used for DTE, and the one used for the fuel gauge has lost it's stickyness  :-\

Replaced the drivebelt idler pulley, at a cost of £13. However, because I was in a rush I reassembled without testing the tensioner pulley. The noise remains, so I guess that is next. As this is going to be the original, I think i will just replace the whole assembly, rather than go for the pulley only.

Though not on this car yet, I have been doing a lightbar repair on the petrol NG. I added to the handy thread on UKS, but 40 replacement LED's cost less than £3 and a fiver for a voltage regulated power supply, which to this point has been for testing purposes only

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This is going to be a difficult one, as there are two modes of failure and having simulated the diagnostic methodology in WIS will likely take you to "The fault still exists"

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Little victories are important

You don't need reversing sensors or snazzy paintwork for the MOT. I would be tempted to put it in to get the ticket, or at least so you know what other more significant jobs you need to do. I used to get cross with the local Saab dealer for doing a service on the car before they did the MOT. "what if it fails.... I have a freshly serviced car that I can't use?"

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Took the black 2006 Dame Edna for an MOT

The tester remarked that I did a lot of miles in her, as he checked the MOT history. Then he gave me a clean ticket  :thumbsup:

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Now you will never know what solved the problem....

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Funny.... having seen the agricultural engineering approaches to ripping open a hole in the 9-3 floor to get access to change the pump, I was wondering "what about getting a 9-5 cover plate (perhaps with part of the 9-5 floor) and spending the money on doing what Saab should have done in the first place".

Or you could just put a 20 ohm resistor in series   ;)

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Ah, fair point, it's the first to move to move away from traditional FI type design to the newer direct injection, like the NG 9-5's

You're right about the damped fuel gauge response, you can see that by filling up a car with fuel while its idling because you have grave concerns about the battery or something else. Seen that.

Question is, does Tech 2 give access to both sensors, or is it the combined damped output response. One way to find out.

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Can you put the pump into a permanent live situation ?

That way you can circulate your treated fuel without actually consuming any, and perhaps even graph the fuel pressure at the same time.

I would have the charger onto the battery, to maintain state & not drag your new one down...

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Did you pick up from WIS that the P00089 code is also triggered by running out of fuel, or at least the car thinking you have run out of fuel...

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There's what looks ike a decent diagnostic in WIS, but it does assume you have access to the tank

Buried away I see that for EU empty is supposed to be 250 ohms, full 40

You could try applying 12v in the appropriate places to measure the voltage the ECU would see - seems to be operating on 5v due to a 487 ohm resistor though. An idea anyway

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Thinking a little more, it might be worth taking readings from the ECU before you fill up.

You'll have two data points that way

When it stops raining  ;)

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I have looked again at WIS and the wiring diagrams.

Connector H10-3 "should" be visible and possibly testable, depending on location.

While searching for a photo or something to assist, I came across this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5eOlhrC-gM which may be of interest. At least it doesn't have images of the rear seat floor being cut to get access to the pump. Final comment may be of interest.

Perhaps the best route forward is to fill the car up again (to replicate the problem) and then measure the readings at the ECU connector. At least that will be accessible which will allow you to get a reading for both sensors.

Interesting that the EU and US markets appear to have the rheostat wiring reversed (if you believe WIS). Intuitively it seems NG9-3 is incomplete, the NG9-5 is considerably worse, I can't even find preload settings for the TTiD turbo, which is something I may do a thread on later


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