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Did you pick up from WIS that the P00089 code is also triggered by running out of fuel, or at least the car thinking you have run out of fuel...

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There's what looks ike a decent diagnostic in WIS, but it does assume you have access to the tank

Buried away I see that for EU empty is supposed to be 250 ohms, full 40

You could try applying 12v in the appropriate places to measure the voltage the ECU would see - seems to be operating on 5v due to a 487 ohm resistor though. An idea anyway

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Thinking a little more, it might be worth taking readings from the ECU before you fill up.

You'll have two data points that way

When it stops raining  ;)

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I have looked again at WIS and the wiring diagrams.

Connector H10-3 "should" be visible and possibly testable, depending on location.

While searching for a photo or something to assist, I came across this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5eOlhrC-gM which may be of interest. At least it doesn't have images of the rear seat floor being cut to get access to the pump. Final comment may be of interest.

Perhaps the best route forward is to fill the car up again (to replicate the problem) and then measure the readings at the ECU connector. At least that will be accessible which will allow you to get a reading for both sensors.

Interesting that the EU and US markets appear to have the rheostat wiring reversed (if you believe WIS). Intuitively it seems NG9-3 is incomplete, the NG9-5 is considerably worse, I can't even find preload settings for the TTiD turbo, which is something I may do a thread on later


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, and it showed that a lot of the plastics are now very brittle. 

That reminds me of testing for current on the auto gearbox on the 9-5. I have found that with some WD40 and the right size screwdriver in the groove at the top of the red securing clip these connections do usually give in to gentle persuasion.

I suppose the alternative is to measure the values at the ECU.... but of course if there is a problem, you then need to disagnose where, and while you really don't want it to be in the loom, the alternative seems to be a tank out job

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New Saab 9-5 (2010 on) / Re: 9-5 NG Rescue project
« on: 16 April 2024, 05:32:32 PM »
Well, another 250 miles on the car and what a difference small changes can make.

I am used to feeling the difference between  20' toe out and 10' toe in, but didn't expect to feel it so strongly on the road. The centering of the steering wheel (which means centering of the rack) has resulted in the adjustable power steering working properly, and feedback is more direct. Handling is much more similar to the 2.0 petrol as well, with better ability to carry speed round corners and the transition from a FWD bias to RWD under power more evident.

Immediately, whether due to the wheel alignment (reduction in scrub), non distorted discs causing some pad dragging, or simply she's getting used to more frequent driving cleaning the system/combustion chambers out, today's journey had me up at 43mpg, rather than the 37-38 for the same journey last week.

That's more in line with prior expectations, happier than yesterday  :thumbsup:

The trip computer can't do maths though. Last week a full tank was apparently good enough for 360 miles, and it stayed like that until less than 3/4 of a tank was remaining. This week it showed 480 miles, when the reality last week for a tankful was more like 580, this week 660

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Pump the tyres up above normal pressure and they should be OK

Let them deflate & be flat against the floor and there will likely be a permanent vibration in the future

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204736269275?

What I would describe as strong money at £14,750 , and the car doesn't have Drivesense or Harman Kardon sound system.

Does look tidy though

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I think Will has a coupe of issues on his car. Fancy sorting them out for him while you are having a good day  ;D

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Sounds like good news. Almost reminiscent of a 1970's air cooled VW, except much easier to fix  :thumbsup:

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I would dry it out and then use tissue paper to try to identify the source of the water, allowing for wicking.

Did you check that the door window was all the way up, and in the correct place?


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New Saab 9-5 (2010 on) / Re: 9-5 NG Rescue project
« on: 15 April 2024, 03:40:06 PM »
In the 10 days since the MOT I have done over 700 miles, so some impressions:

Not as quick or responsive as the 2.0T. In a sense that was to be expected, but the TTiD does allegedly have 400 Nm compared to 350 Nm in the petrol car. Somewhat the reverse experience of the old 2.2 TiD tractor engine in the 9-5 where with a lowly 120HP she was remarkable quick, with loads of torque.

Speaking of torque, there really doesn't seem to be much below 1500 rpm, though in higher gears she will pull from those speeds, so perhaps this is a"by design" mapping feature. I don't think there is a problem as there are no DTC's registered. Wish these cars had OpenSID so I could see more of what is going on. Hooking a laptop up to see the live information on boost / torque isn't really a great idea for busy A roads.  :(

The gear ratios seem quite sensible, 2nd may be a little low, and with 33mph / 1000 rpm in 6th I was hoping for good fuel economy. It seems at motorway speeds, I'm likely to see 37-38 mpg, which is less than hoped for and quite a lot less than the old 2.2 where on a run I could easily get above 45, so long as the speed wasn't too high.

Handling wise, this non Drivesense equipped 2011 car is quite different to the 2010 Drivesense Aero. Both are on H-arm suspension, AWD, 19" turbine rims and lowered suspension so should be comparable. I have read that Saab received feedback on the original cars and they responded to hard ride criticism by putting softer springs/dampers on. I have to say, I can feel it. The 2011 car provides much more traditional feedback of what the car is doing, whereas the 2010 car is certainly more sporty, suffers from very little roll, yet has high grip levels but fails to communicate with the driver what exactly is going on, except when it gets a bit twitchy, which it can do.

I have just had the front wheels balanced, fitted new front discs / pads to get rid of the braking vibration and andusted the front end wheel alignment so that the steering wheel is aligned and toe-in is correct. The latter adjustment is no doubt down to small differences in the dimensions / position of the subframe compared to the original. Wheel alignment went from 20' out to 10' in. We shall see this week if the new suspension settings make the handling any different.

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I'll put the investigation on hold for a few days.  As the level sensor only fails to read when the tank is over ¾ full, I planned to check a reading at the connectors behind the left hand headlamp.

Seems to indicate that one of the rheostats has dead spots at the top of the range ??

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I'm looking for an airbox / air filter housing, part number 45 72 509 for the OG 9-5, any model year so long as it's from a petrol car, B205,B235,B308, diesels are different

Not expecting the mounting bobbins to be intact   :)

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I was thinking along the lines of two independent failure modes, but from you decription, but perhaps the main one is nothing more than an irregular sensor result.

From reading around, it seems that this issue does only occur at start up or shut down. Does your scanner app have a logging capability so you can "see" the DTC being thrown ?

I see where you are coming from on the injector. That could be dirt, or simply a "sticky" injector, in which case perhaps clearing the code and 1/2 tank of fuel plus Forte might just do the trick

https://www.forteuk.co.uk/product/petrol-specialist-injector-cleaner/

You can get this, along with the general system cleaner for £25 on ebay

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