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Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« on: 04 June 2017, 03:36:41 PM »
Hi all

Went to do the most simplest of jobs today - change the oil and filter.
Drained the old oil, changed the filter and filled up with saab 5w30 to flush. Ran a few miles, drained and replaced the filter again and refilled with Mobil 1 ESP 0W40.

Just headed up to the dump to recycle the old oil and filters, got half way there and the warning triangle flashed on with the warning 'bong' followed by the oil light, flashed on and went off again. Stopped immediately and shut the engine off, only to find a lovely coating of oil covering the underside of the car and a pool of oil on the side road I'd pulled into.

Car back on the drive now.
The o-ring from the old filter was still in place, hence no seal, hence oil everywhere!
Total schoolboy error, I knew the filter o-ring didn't look right when I put it on but warmed the car up in the drive and couldn't see any leaks.

I've removed the old filter and maybe half a litre of oil came out. What damage am I likely to have done, bearing in mind I've probably had zero oil pressure and little of no oil for around a 1/4 of a mile?

I'm so cross with myself, I usually check and double check ....

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #1 on: 04 June 2017, 05:29:45 PM »
There's a very good chance you will be OK, I know of someone who drove a sludged 9-3 with the oil warning light on for about 8 miles until they decided to stop, the engine still ran after that but was rather noisy but the car was scrapped as a result. If you only went 1/4 mile you could be OK especially if oil had been circulating before you went out.

As for doing stupid things without thinking I managed to damage a bolt on my daughters brand new bike yesterday morning as I was tired/hungover and not thinking what I was doing. The torque wrench I was using always gets a bit tighter before clicking but yesterday the torque wrench had seized/broken so when adjusting the stem I started to fasten the bolt it started to tighten to I gave it a good shove and rounded out the allen bolt head and over tightened the fastener in the process. This meant ordering some screw extractors from amazon which arrived today and removing the bolt to only find I don't have a replacement. However It does mean I've now also ordered a new (nicer) Teng torque wrench and the old one is going to be taken to the dump.

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #2 on: 04 June 2017, 06:45:32 PM »
Thanks, I really hope it still sounding sweet once I get a new filter and oil.

There are some days when, as we say at work, you should just stand back and don't press any buttons!
I'd spent most of the night on the phone (for obvious reasons.) to my control room which is in the Shard, and have been taking calls all day. I should have left the car well alone..

You always have to look on the up side and like your new wrench I have consoled myself that at least the underside of the car is now rust proofed for next winter  :-[

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #3 on: 04 June 2017, 06:50:14 PM »
It sounds a bit like you now have what I had yesterday. I was in a real stress about the bike as I couldn't immediately tell what damage I'd done. It would have bothered me to know that I needed a new stem and bolt as it's not that much money, sounds like you just want a filter and some oil so you know what the situation is but I'm fairly certain you will be OK.

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #4 on: 04 June 2017, 07:43:15 PM »
It might have to sit on it's stands until Tuesday now but I'll be sure to let you know how it sounds once I fire it up again.

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #5 on: 05 June 2017, 01:41:51 PM »
I'd say it should be OK. You weren't caning it, so there wasn't such a high load and also less heat. Lubrication of the engine only needs a few teaspoons of oil- the total volume is used so that it can circulate and remove heat & muck, allow it to still pick up as the sump sloshes around etc.

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #6 on: 05 June 2017, 09:29:22 PM »
Thanks Mark.
I'd already put an online order in over the weekend for an air filter, cabin filter, plugs and valve cover gasket (Previous aftermarket offering has started weeping after only 2 years!). Managed to catch the order this morning before it was shipped, so filter arriving tomorrow and I've picked up 5L of Mobil 1 ESP from Halfords today.

Fingers crossed  :)

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #7 on: 07 June 2017, 07:40:26 PM »
So, had a bit of a heart stopping moment when i first started it up. Hydraulic tappets must have drained so it tapped away in a most disconcerting manner for a few seconds and then ran as sweet as ever. Hopefully no unseen damage done that will come back to bite me down the road..

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #8 on: 19 June 2017, 08:39:04 AM »
I read this article with a lot of interest because many years ago a cousin in Northern Ireland was preparing and rallying cars as a hobby which became a business, and went on to become quite successful in his own right.

On one of my rare visits to that side of the family, he took me out for a spin (on the public roads  :o !!!) in a couple of his cars and scared the hell out of me both times. He had loads of cars and these included an ex Hanu Mikkola Audi Quattro and a 6R4 Metro!

While I was nosing around his workshops I noted that he had drums of fully synthetic oil; at the time I didn't know much about it, but Alistair swore by it recounting an event where he had unknowingly cracked the sump during an event.
He said he had noticed the oil pressure vanish off his instruments but believed it was only an indication problem and continued on (at rally pace), until the temperature went off the scale. Only then did he stop and retire from the event, by which time he reckoned he must have travelled well over a mile - possibly more like two miles.

Fearing a lot of damage in the subsequent engine strip, he had been amazed to find relatively very minimal damage and said he couldn't believe that it had not completely wrecked the engine claiming that this must have been only down to the use of synthetic oil.

I didn't get to ride in the Quattro or the 6R4, but he took me out in a Sierra and two Escorts. The one that frightened me the most was a MK2 Escort with a Mazda rotary engine; that thing just flew - quite literally!

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #9 on: 20 June 2017, 12:13:57 PM »
Great story Max and gives me a fair amount of hope :)

I actually had the valve cover off after the event to change the gasket. I know that cams aren't under a great deal of stress but would be the first part to lose their oil feed and I couldn't see any wear on the cams or the lifters.

We've camped/ caravaned at the same farm in mid Wales, as a family, since before I was born. Back in the 80's and 90's the local boys were all into amateur rallying and used to have a circuit on the single lane, high hedged, public roads that they practiced on at night. We'd sit in the field and follow the headlights as they wen't round. I did a circuit once with one of them and frankly will never forget it!
Nothing quite as fancy as your cousin's collection, I think there was a stripped out Viva, a Talbot and a Mk2 Escort, lots of fun though!

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Re: Massive Boll@k Dropped - Advice Appreciated
« Reply #10 on: 02 July 2017, 07:48:30 PM »
Well hopefully by now you have had time to look at it all. I imagine the first sign of damage would be scoring; or surfaces that are supposed to be shiny not looking - well, very shiny!