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First experience of 1.8i 9-3ss
« on: 27 February 2018, 08:23:56 PM »
Well I took my Aero to those boys at Hallam & Sutherns after work for a thorough checking over and service, and wasn't sure what they might give me as a courtesy car. They used to be exclusively Saab specialists the last time I used them when I had my 9-5 about 12 years back, but with Saab folding they have diversified into servicing Volvos as well.

Anyway, dropped the Aero there, and was given another 9-3ss as the courtesy car. All I was told was that it was petrol. There was no model identifier on the boot, but it was a 55 plate in reasonably good condition.

When I got in, it was immediately apparent it was a very basic model on the inside. No steering wheel controls, no cruise control, manual cloth seats, no cupholder in the dash, 4 speaker (I think) radio with no display, heater unit with the 3 dials rather than climate unit with the buttons/display.

Not over keen on first impressions!!! However, noticed the reverse gear was in a different place, and the gearshift seemed much lighter than my Aero. Once I got used to the clutch, and filled her up at the garage across the road, we were off towards the M42 once again!

Well, the ride was much better than my Aero, which with sports suspension and 18" wheels, means you feel every bump on the road. This has 16" wheels, and was actually very comfortable to be in. Road noise was also much quieter than my Aero, as you'd probably expect.

On the road though, the car was surprisingly spritely, with good performance. I was wondering if this was a 150bhp car, as it had good acceleration, and seemed to handle quite well.

It has 128,000 miles on the clock, no optional extras, and is a manual - but actually, if it could have it's equipment upgraded, would make a nice everyday car, and comfortable cruiser. The mpg seemed to rise up into the low forties too, so all good.

So what is under the hood of this car, I hear you cry? Well I popped the bonnet and took a pic.....that ain't no 2 litre turbo, is it?
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Re: First experience of 1.8i 9-3ss
« Reply #1 on: 27 February 2018, 09:17:24 PM »
That's an NA engine I believe.

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Re: First experience of 1.8i 9-3ss
« Reply #2 on: 27 February 2018, 09:33:37 PM »
Yes, I think this is the 1.8 NA which may be a Vauxhall engine, not to be confused with the 1.8t, which is actually the same 2.0t engine found in other variants but with a smaller turbo.

I didn't know what engine was in it until I popped the bonnet out of curiosity after the 50 mile drive from Swadlincote down the M42, and then cross country. I genuinely thought it might be the 150bhp 1.8t unit, not having every driven one of those either. The gearbox must be different too, because reverse is top left next to first gear rather than wherever it is in my Aero (can't remember now, but I'm sure it isn't there! ha ha).

But for a derivative that is generally derided, I thought the performance was fairly good. An Aero it is definitely not, but the engine wasn't the main thing letting this car down - it was the poverty spec.

Looking on Ebay and Autotrader, there are not many of these cars about, but you can get Linear and Arc specs which seem to have more of the goodies we all expect, and even leather seats ;)
 

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Re: First experience of 1.8i 9-3ss
« Reply #3 on: 27 February 2018, 09:35:27 PM »
It's a N/A 120hp engine and gearbox out of an Astra or Vectra, I always found them woefully slow!

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« Reply #4 on: 27 February 2018, 09:39:59 PM »
Compared to an Aero, definitely. I have not driven a 150bhp 9-3, so don't have a feel for how quick that might be.

It didn't feel as slow as I would expect this 1.8 to be. The engine was also fairly quiet and smooth, so if I ever needed a cheap runaround in a hurry, I'd consider one...but not the horrendously low spec - got to have some creature comforts ;)

Can this 1.8 NA engine get any more power squeezed out of it?
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« Reply #5 on: 28 February 2018, 08:43:53 AM »
Can this 1.8 NA engine get any more power squeezed out of it?

I don't think so, the gearbox in them is a bit of a weak link too. They have practically zero torque available too, you'd be better off with a 1.8t.

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« Reply #6 on: 02 March 2018, 09:48:14 AM »
As an entry level engine, fairly economical, reasonable performance, and cheap to tax/insure, I think the car was pretty good, but the equipment levels were attrocioius.

Something like a 1.8i Vector could be a good second car - keeps you in a Saab, rather than defaulting to some naff Ford Focus!!!!

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Re: First experience of 1.8i 9-3ss
« Reply #7 on: 02 March 2018, 10:11:35 AM »
I'd far rather have the Ford Focus than a Saab with a bad Vauxhall engine in it ;)

If you were that worried about running costs then you'd be better off with a Vauxhall with the Vauxhall engine in it!

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« Reply #8 on: 02 March 2018, 02:45:10 PM »
Maybe.....but it's just not the same, is it? ;)

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Re: First experience of 1.8i 9-3ss
« Reply #9 on: 02 March 2018, 06:27:51 PM »
Well my thing is that a Saab with a Vauxhall engine in it just isn't a Saab is it :D The 9-3 is already enough GM!

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« Reply #10 on: 03 March 2018, 08:46:27 PM »
What is the B207 engine? Is that a VX block with Saab head and turbo? Or is it actually a Saab engine?

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« Reply #11 on: 03 March 2018, 11:53:14 PM »
What is the B207 engine? Is that a VX block with Saab head and turbo? Or is it actually a Saab engine?

B207 is from what I was told a Vauxhall designed block, and Saab did the transmission and turbo charging along with much of the other work... however the engine didn't work all that well until they took it Lotus who made it all work properly. I knew a guy who was a Lotus employee who told me had bought a Saab so he could have a car with the engine he worked on in it which is where I got the information from.

Wikipedia says something similar to what I've been told by this guy so maybe it's true? Certainly that engine has more Saab DNA in it than the 1.8 thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ecotec_engine#Generation_I