Vapour lock or Stuffed DIC?

Started by millster, 20 July 2012, 05:04:38 AM

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millster

Once again, my Saab is playing up.  This should be NO surprise by now.  It's well and truly summer in my branch of "the States" with temperatures averaging around 38C.  I got stuck in rare and nasty traffic today (the good news is, I've got the over-temp issue sorted) and with everything going great, I ended up breaking down on the downhill stretch of my trip very near home.  Luckily I was able to get off onto a slip road and out of traffic.

The fuel pump was running as expected and I could hear the DI buzz on key-on and after cranking, so I reckon I'm safe in assuming the DI is not the problem.  I called my Da to bring a snatch strap and get me home.  In the meantime, I proceeded to tink about and eventually got it fired up again.  I spun it about, back into traffic and thought I was right set... until it tucked out at the next intersection.  Since I hadn't made it far, Pop showed up, we drug it home and got it into the drive.  Hooked up the booster leads and it fired in a couple of cranks.  Sputtered a bit, but a good rev and she cleaned right up.

Doesn't sound of DI, eh?  Sounds like vapour lock to me, but I wanted to pass it by the lot of ya to see what you might think. 
I know VL is rather rare in pressurized fuel systems, but my non-return is stuffed (have a new one), the flower pot doesn't seal in the tank well (have been meaning to fix that) and my exhaust is split wide-open at the mid box which would put it dumping right at the fuel tank.  Seems like a perfect recipe for vapourized and non-pumpable petrol, yeah?

900009

crankshaft position sensor, 95% probability. When they get bad they fail when they get hot and come back to life when cooled down.

Next time it cuts out pour some water over your cps, wait a few minutes and see if she fires up again. CPS is mounted on the front side of the engine, under the exhaust manifold close to the gearbox.

phoenix

Yup, sounds like CPS. I'm not sure what the correct resistance is for a 9000, but on later models it's around 900 ohms.

millster

I had considered the CPS but summarily ruled it out when I noticed my tacho needle would rise when I cranked the engine.  In general, this would be contradictory to a dead CPS.  Of course if it's only partially packed-in then I suppose it could still signal the tach at the ECU but not provide enough signal to kick the ignition.

I suppose CPS is better news than the DI.  I'll check that one out.  Thanks!

sgould

I found this from a T5 9-3 Saab workshop manual...
(see attachment)

There are three terminals on the connector.  Only two show a resistance. Check those.


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Audax

Quote from: millster on 20 July 2012, 04:18:22 PM
I had considered the CPS but summarily ruled it out when I noticed my tacho needle would rise when I cranked the engine.  In general, this would be contradictory to a dead CPS.  Of course if it's only partially packed-in then I suppose it could still signal the tach at the ECU but not provide enough signal to kick the ignition.

That's an old wives tale about the needle moving/not moving letting you know if it's the CPS or not. It can rise just it's reading incorrectly as it is out of specification. Test it for Ohms and have a look with an OBD reader if necessary.

millster

Thanks again, guys.  While it can't be conclusively ruled out, the CPS tested within spec and after replacing the one-way valve on the fuel pump and fixing the gap between the top of the flower pot and the lock ring, the car now starts within 2 cranks hot or cold and drove a solid 3 miles without so much as a stutter.  While I'm sure it had nothing to do with the random death yesterday I also fixed a nasty split PCV line I found while looking under the bonnet. 

So there we have it.  Looks like I fell victim to a fuel pump trying to push vaporized gasoline and not having much luck with it.