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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #30 on: 23 November 2017, 02:09:07 PM »

Hell! That must be a lot of tyres you've got through!  :o 8)

Well, I worked in a garage, we sold a lot of tyres and had a lot of cars come in with problem tyres too! Even the best brands have bad batches (apart from maybe continental!).

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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #31 on: 10 December 2017, 11:27:54 AM »
I can finally review the cross climates when used in the snow! They're good, not as good as the dedicated Nokian winter tyres I had, but perfectly acceptable. As ever it's backside clenching scary watching people who do not have winter rated tyres out there though.
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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #32 on: 10 December 2017, 03:10:45 PM »
Got to go out again in the slush and the cross climates are really good then, certainly going to keep using this for the time being. Not the fastest in the snow but will get you home at least.

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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #33 on: 10 December 2017, 04:54:37 PM »
Nokian winters on the hill here this morning.  Other stuff abandoned outside the house.  Fortunately didn't block our drive this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRnAdYHaDYc
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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #34 on: 11 December 2017, 09:29:09 PM »
Nokian winters on the hill here this morning.  Other stuff abandoned outside the house.  Fortunately didn't block our drive this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRnAdYHaDYc

My CrossClimates were also great in the snow today. Did the journey from one side of the midlands to the other with no issues. Only lost grip when I was being a nob!

Nextbast dash cam does look quite good by the way. Keep meaning to get one.

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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #35 on: 11 December 2017, 10:03:35 PM »
First off, I've had no snow!

I'm running Nokian's again for winter (9-3 Estate with Hirsch supplied grin). I had a full set of winters (WRA3's?) but due to a punchure in the sidewall of one, I had to get a new tyre and couldn't get a match so got a pair of Nokian Weatherproof instead. Had these fitted to the front.

As I do a hell of a lot more driving in the wet than in snow and I live in the countryside, lots of single track lanes, I wanted something that was good in the wet but could handle the snow if it came. The Weatherproof's are M+S but also 'A' rated for wet weather use. They fitted the bill perfectly, handy when you find a tractor coming round the corner. I like them so much so that I'm considering going to a full set and using them all year. I'd save space in the garage as well then!





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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #36 on: 13 December 2017, 08:55:10 AM »
So glad I had Nokian WR D4's fitted back in April. They're showing hardly any sign of wear and in the snow were limpit like; couldn't believe how good they were. Like Audax it's buttocks clenching when a car is following close in slush and the like. I went out Sunday evening when we were getting -4 freeze and they performed incredibly well on our frost strewn country lanes. Mine are also class A for wet and aquaplaning and c for economy. Pretty good on muddy roads as well - just as well with all this sugar beet s***e on our roads about 2" thick.

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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #37 on: 28 December 2017, 01:56:47 PM »
Surely there must be someone else out there with winter tyres that has had their fair share of snow and winter by now?

That large helping of snow that we received just before Christmas - well...!
I left work at around 5am having been outside working for most of the night. I seem to recall it started snowing a few flakes at around midnight. At first it didn't appear to be sticking but by the time i got away from work I was a bit alarmed when I got to my car and found around an inch of snow had already settled on it and the car park.
Having spent a few minutes clearing the screens and warming it up a bit, I set off from RAF Brize Norton thinking 'The RAF haven't done much around the camp roads - hopefully it should be alright on the main roads though..'

Guess again!
I drove out of the camp only to find the roads around Carterton were no different, but decided to keep going, wary of the fact my front winter tyres where starting to show their age.
I head North towards Stow-On-The-Wold. In the dry at legal speeds it usually takes me around 30 mins to get home.
The roads between Carterton and Burford appeared to have not been treated; there were going to be one or two tests for me on this journey, the first being a place known as Shilton Dip. This is a well-known accident black-spot consisting of a crossroads set in the bottom of a very steep dip, on a slight bend, with an equally steep climb up the other side. Not ideal in 1.5" of snow.
Thinking I may struggle up the other side I got the car as straight as possible and carefully caned it down into the dip to keep the momentum going for the very steep climb up the other side. I made it quite easily and was slightly surprised. However on reaching the summit I could feel that the car was starting to lose traction a little bit, but I'd made it so far. Next stop Burford high street.

With no further drama I trickled down Burford high street to the traffic lights over a narrow hump-backed bridge where I had to come to a stop. On green, pulling away was a bit slippery and I did spin up a little bit but got over the bridge ok, and made a left at the r'bout to head towards Stow.
The next test was going to be the decider on whether I was going to spend the night in Burford or get home; a sharp right hand bend followed by a steepish long hill was the next test.
Because of the sharp bend I wasn't going to get a chance of a run-up at this hill; it was all down to what the tyres/car could do juxtaposed to my own skill and luck. This was a bit touch and go and I think I was lucky to make it up this hill. I managed to keep moving all the time but was losing traction slightly and did momentarily, that this was going to be the end of my journey, but no! The worn old Dunlop Wintersports managed to get me up the worst of the slope after which the incline reduced and I was able to pick up speed/traction easily.

With no other vehicles on the road I was by now driving through what looked to be about 2" of virgin snow. A long wide straight of about 1.5 miles allowed me to risk getting some good speed up. This was probably chancing it slightly but there were no other vehicles on this section and the car felt very stable with no fishtailing or tendency for it to want to slide; directional control felt very good.
But by now it was snowing very hard and by the time I reached the turning for Little Rissington it was a real blizzard. Worse still, just after that a very thick possibly freezing fog had descended, and coupled with the snow I was driving blind!
This was a total white-out that was worrying to say the least; I couldn't see where the road went at all and was now down to a speed that I would say was a slow walking pace, it was so bad!
There were now some vehicle tracks in the snow so up until that point I must have been catching something up, and as I reached the brow of Wick Hill, I momentarily glimpsed some tail-lights.
Very gingerly down Wick Hill that, in spite of the overhanging trees, was deeply layered in snow, and I was definitely catching something up.

The next test was going to be the traffic lights at the bottom of Stow Hill followed by Stow Hill itself. In the past the overhanging trees on Stow Hill have been my saviour, but it wasn't to be on this occasion.
I luckily caught the vehicle in front of me as he triggered the lights to green so was able to keep moving, aware that anything coming down the hill might not be able to stop I pulled out to start up Stow Hill.
I was astonished to find I had caught up with a transit van towing a large box trailer! He was seriously struggling on Stow Hill, but I felt that my momentum might just get me past him so pulled into the overtaking lane and started a slow overtake. I was losing traction a bit but still gaining on the van and did get past leaving him struggling behind me. However what was more alarming was a truck that overtook me as I overtook the van! Three vehicles all abreast going up Stow Hill; good job nothing was coming downhill!

Now where I live, in spite of being near to a school, the roads are never gritted and it felt like the longest part of the journey was spent coaxing the car up a neighbouring road before turning down my street which was now getting on for a good 4" deep.
It took me 10 attempts to get the car off the road and on to my block-paved drive. A lovely smooth drive but not ideal when its snowy or icy as I have now found! It took 10 goes because the car kept trying to slide into a low retaining wall with the adjoining property, before I'd got it clear of the pavement.

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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #38 on: 28 December 2017, 06:15:37 PM »
How worn are your Dunlops?  Winter tyres are no longer classed as winter tyres if the tread depth is below 4mm. They are just "tyres" :)

When I first got winter tyres (Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme) it was some months before I could give them a try out in the snow, but they got the car up the steep hills around here in virgin snow with no real problem. Later I found out the plusses and minuses of winter tyres.  When it snowed one day, I was the only person who drove out of the office car park without help.  But there was also one day when I was the only one who got to work in a car...

Many years ago you could get around in snow with ordinary tyres.  I suspect that the rubber was more suitable back when cars had 13 inch wheels and treads with lots of cross cuts in the tread.  Modern high performance tyres seem to consist of tread with concentric circles.
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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #39 on: 28 December 2017, 08:25:07 PM »
I'd not really considered winter tyres with the little mileage we cover over the year. However having driven up north via the M40 to see family on Wednesday, I'll be investing in a spare set of wheels and some winter boots!
The snow plough had already cleared the inside and middle lanes on the stretch through the Chilterns, outside lane had a good 2 to 3 inches, there was a blizzard and it was starting to stick again on the two plowed lanes.
99% of drivers were taking it slow and steady and we got through without incident. One idiot however zipped passed us, must have been going 60+, and strayed into the outside lane. Lost sight of him only to come round a bend to see he'd bounced off the central barrier, careered across all 3 lanes, slammed sideways along a barrier on the hard shoulder and had come to a rest on the hard shoulder pointing in the wrong direction...
All occupants were out of the car and amazingly no other vehicles were involved!
I know winter tyres won't save me from idiots not driving to the conditions but it's shaken me enough to put my hand in my pocket!
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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #40 on: 28 December 2017, 11:28:20 PM »
You can get "winter tyres" that are rated at V (148mph).  If you run them all year these would be fine.  I've done that on both cars in the past when I haven't been able to change back in the spring due to ill health. No ill effects that you would notice.

One summer we took the 9-5 to the Alps in May and I left the winter tyres on until we came back in early June, then decided to leave them until they wore out.  They were fine on the autobahn at high speed.

But there are the newer all weather tyres like the Michelin Cross Climate and the Nokian Weatherproof.  But with my experience with the Nokian A3 and Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme I would be happy to  use them all year. 

On summer holidays in France, you see a lot of cars running the winter tyre pattern all year round.
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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #41 on: 29 December 2017, 08:19:39 AM »
But there are the newer all weather tyres like the Michelin Cross Climate and the Nokian Weatherproof.  But with my experience with the Nokian A3 and Vredestein Wintrac Xtreme I would be happy to  use them all year. 

Exactly this, I'm running cross climate (see my comments in this thread about them) and see no reason to have 2 sets of wheels any more. If I was living in a part of Scotland or Wales which had serious amounts of snow for weeks at a time then I might have some dedicated winter tyres as they do perform better but for living in most of England there's little point.

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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #42 on: 29 December 2017, 10:34:01 AM »
Thanks guys.
My only consideration is that I've got a good set of Michelin Pilots on at the moment. I guess they'd have some resale value..
I'd read your comments about the cross climates, have you found they're any noisier than a standard tyre?

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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #43 on: 29 December 2017, 11:07:43 AM »
No real tyre noise at all, I think they are quieter than the falkens I had on before the cross climates. You could just keep the pilots for now and replace them next autumn?

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Re: 2017 Winter Tyres thread
« Reply #44 on: 29 December 2017, 02:14:22 PM »
My 16" Nokian WR G2s had reached the end of their winter life (age+tread) so I ran them all through summer 2016. They worked well, lacking the very top end of grip you would get with a summer tyre (though the wheel size will have had an effect as well), but in normal driving I never noticed the difference. I couldn't afford to get new winters, so they stayed on until spring.

After getting the 17"s refurbished I put them back on the car with the cheap tyres I'd had to use when not getting paid. I left replacing the tyres until October 2017 when V rated 17" Nokian WR D4s went on, and it made a world of difference to the handling! On the journey home from my current job there's a hairpin turn onto a street used by the buses where the cheap ones would easily understeer at low speeds when it got greasy, but the Nokians will hold grip at anything sensible.

Given the handling advantage in winter, I'm happy running the winters all year round. Like Audax, I'm getting rid of the second set of wheels. I might invest in a 17" spare if I ever have the money, but plenty of other things need doing first!