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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #15 on: 14 October 2011, 10:18:04 PM »
My local indy fitted a Yuasa a month back. I'd never heard of them before, but I've never had reason to question my indy in over 10 years fettling. And google confirms this, in my eyes.

Yuasa have been going years - more commonly known for their motorbike batteries and other small lead-acid batteries. I used them years ago for starting model aircraft engines.

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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #16 on: 14 October 2011, 11:33:16 PM »

... I used them years ago for starting model aircraft engines.

Blimey! I used to do that when I was a teenager. Keil Kraft Hurricane on control lines - couldn't afford to go for radio control.

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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #17 on: 02 January 2015, 10:14:51 AM »
For a diesel car the important spec is not the ampere hour capacity but the CCA (Cold Cranking Amps). This is the ability of the battery to turn the enginer over on a cold morning.

You need at least 800A. Generally speaking a higher ampere hour capacity battery will also have a higher CCA.

Petrol models are typically 75-80Ah, 650-750CCA, diesel 90-100Ah, 800-850CCA.

This is very interesting phoenix. The oroiginal GM battery on my 9-3 1.9 Tid Sportwagon has a label giving (IIRC) 75AH and (definitely) 700CCA. I was eying up a nice Bosch Silver Line (85AH & 800CCA) from Euro Car Parts for the car, as the original lagged a bit starting in a cold spell the other day. Just been out to measure the battery compartment and it will only take one 280mm long - the Bosch one is 315. So what do I do now - cut away the plastic ends of the battery compartment to get the Silver Line in, or put up with a lesser strength one?
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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #18 on: 02 January 2015, 10:29:05 AM »
Been out to the car again, the bigger one will not go in due to the clamp being on the end. So it looks like I will have to do some more research regarding CCA ratings, battery sizes, and makes. The owner's manual just says AH depends on engine. Thanks a bunch Saab!
Pete

PS checked again with Euro website. The Bosch S5 096 exceeds my original and is 77AH & 780 CCA. It will fit as the dimensions are the same. So I will go for that one.
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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #19 on: 02 January 2015, 04:25:30 PM »
Well chuffed with the result. The starter kicks the engine over far more briskly. Before fitment I popped the new one on my Halfords charger just to ensure that it was as described, ie fully charged and ready for use. Within 30 seconds the led on the charger for 'charged' was lit. Took the old battery off, and within a couple of mins, bearing in mind that I had just come home 5 mins earlier, the rest volts was down to 12.1V.
Fitted the new one. Started the car, and the charge rate is a healthy 13.9-14V. A few weeks ago when I was servicing the car, I recorded the rate at 13.5-13.6V and thought I might be in line for a new alternator soon. (last year when I serviced it, the rate was 13.6-13.7V) After this recent service, (see post in the 9-3 section) having found the pos terminal quite hot, I did a good clean-up of both terminals and posts and stopped the pos one getting hot.
So maybe one of the cells was below par and the battery wasn't taking proper charge.
We shall see on the next cold snap!
Pete

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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #20 on: 02 January 2015, 04:32:22 PM »
The Saab part number for the 1.9 diesel is listed as 12762420. 85Ah.

Checking this with the workshop manual. This is cross referenced as 12762420. Varta. 12v. Capacity 85Ah. Starting current (European Norm) 750A.
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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #21 on: 02 January 2015, 05:37:52 PM »
How odd Will. The GM one I've just removed has all the signs of being the original. But it was 70AH and 700 cca en. Maybe it was replaced early in the car's life. I am happy with 780 cca en though.
Ta for the info!
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Pete

PS Tomorrow I'll have a good look at the old battery for evidence of when it was fitted/dated if I can find any. Although the one I have on it now is only 77AH, the 780 CCA EN gives me hope that it will be good. Must be better than the old one!!
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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #22 on: 02 January 2015, 07:52:52 PM »
I think I have got that wrong. That battery has an addendum. It was only fitted to the 9-5 1.9 diesel in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland & Germany.

The other part is universal for both petrol and diesel everywhere else except for hot countries.

The battery fitted in UK is 400130019. Replaced by 12799128. This is shown in WIS as Exide 5352000. 70Ah. Starting Current 700A.

The battery fitted to the 9-3 diesel is different and the listing is ambiguous. But likely to be 93189440 in the UK. 70Ah. Exide 12799752. Starting Current 700A
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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #23 on: 02 January 2015, 08:08:11 PM »
Thanks Will. As usual, you are a mine of info! I may well now not look too closely at the old battery, which could have got me the princely sum of £3 cash-back from Euro. But I chose instead to have it in my shed where I am restoring an old motor bike. it is good to have a 12V supply for testing etc.

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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #24 on: 02 January 2015, 10:50:18 PM »
The other part is universal for both petrol and diesel everywhere else except for hot countries.

It would also depend on what they had in stock in the factory I think as I've seen a variety of batteries on different models. All I ever did was just supply everyone with a specific part number that was a genuine Saab 70AH battery as it was cheaper than the 60AH battery at around £65 inc. vat. as it simplified which parts to keep in stock. (although the early OG9-3 oil burners had an 85AH battery which was something like £150).

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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #25 on: 20 February 2015, 12:58:30 PM »
http://www.carbatteries-online.co.uk/carbattery096.html

Just ordered the £65 incl. VAT & Delivery one with 780 CCA for the 1.9TiD

Seems a bargain for the capacity and guarantee period. Never heard of the manufacturer, though!

My other option was a Bosch S5 to get as good a CCA and best I could get that for was £105. Will see....

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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #26 on: 20 February 2015, 01:00:09 PM »
....or £85 for the VARTA from the same website....

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« Reply #27 on: 20 February 2015, 04:21:28 PM »
what's the size of the 9-5 battery is it the same size as the 9-3SS..278x175x190..

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Re: Best Battery.
« Reply #28 on: 20 February 2015, 09:57:07 PM »
The code on my Bosch replacement (now four years old) is HSB 096.

The same code is offered by Yuasa and Varta.  Maybe it's a universal one?
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« Reply #29 on: 23 February 2015, 03:01:04 AM »
May I humbly suggest there is too much hand wringing and agonising here over model number, AH capacity and slight differences in CCA.  The only absolute is the physical size that will fit in the tray, orientation side of +- terminals and the shape of the terminals.  For a 9-5 (any year of 9-5, I believe) this is defined by the 096 battery code. 

Capacity in ampHours is less relevant unless you are planning to regularly leave your sidelights on while parked up, not run your car for 2-3 weeks at a time (because the underlying "car all switched off" drain is about 100mA -- at least that is what it is measured on mine with only the standard clock & other OEM monitoring modules in place), or you are figuring out how far you might be able to go if your alternator fails (For average 9-5 FULLY CHARGED batteries that will probably be about 20min at the average nominal assumed base draw of 25A to keep the engine/fuelpump etc  running - & NOT including headlights).  More relevant is that if you install a Calcium-Lead or Silver-Calcium-Lead  battery I do not think it will EVER be recharged to full rated capacity with the standard charge voltage set on all 9-5's.  Maybe just to 80% rated capacity at very best I reckon.

Manufacturer's quoted CCA is a bit of a fantasy because I have seen experimental data on perfectly NEW good batteries being taken through Standards Institute specified charge cycles to retest what the CCA is on each cycle and it can vary on different cycles by as much as 10-15% if I remember rightly.  Additionally as the battery is used over time, there may be some sulfation, active material drops off the grids and this will reduce the max possible CCA (and chargeable capacity).

Just as well then that (as far as I know) the usual supply required for the starter motor in starting petrol OR diesel is no more than approx 200-250 A.  This is comfortably within what any new 096 size battery should be able to deliver (whether 650, 700, 750 or 800 "rated" CCA) and it is un-necessary to agonise too much over a small difference in "quoted" CCA ... as it is likely to be 10-15% out anyway.  Incidentally my wife's 1.9tid 9-5 was fitted with a "630 CCA" battery 2yr ago by the dealer who sold the car to us and we still do not have any starting problems with it.

More relevant perhaps but more subtle and difficult to evaluate, is the quality of internal manufacture of the battery - whether the lead oxide paste is more carefully inserted into the grids and how grids are packed/spaced etc - which makes one Manufacturer Brand slightly more susceptible to loss of capacity through loss of active material for example or being less tolerant of deep discharge cycles as it is used over a few years.  Due to its internal design, the axiom for car lead-acid batteries though, I believe, is that if it is always kept as fully charged as possible (without any deep discharge cycling) the longer a life it will have.

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