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#1
Thanks again.  I was browsing through All Data and came across something interesting concerning opening the door with the key when the alarm is armed.  I quote "The alarm cannot be armed/disarmed with the key.  If a door is opened with the key when the alarm is armed, it will be set off.  This does not apply to cars for the US/CA/LA market which are programmed for the key function".  Since this car is a US car, was purchased in Seattle, Washington, USA, it just might work if it's programmed to do so.  I'm going to have her buy a key from the dealer and will see what happens.  Thanks, RG
#2
Thanks again to all.  That's not what I wanted to hear, I was surely hoping that opening the door with the key would also turn off the alarm.  So the first order of business is to get a key from the dealer, get into the car, deal with the alarm.  I do have access to All Data and Mitchell OnDemand and All Data says there is a battery backup built into the siren unit.  It does say if the main battery or the siren fuse is pulled (power is cut), the siren will still operate if it's been activated.  What it doesn't say is, if the siren is unplugged will it shut off.  On some cars, you can use the key to turn off the alarm by inserting in either the driver or passenger door lock and turning it several time back and forth to shut it off.  I'm guess this feather won't work with this Saab.  The next step is to get the car somewhere I can work on it, as it's in her work parking lot at this time and I don't think they want me pulling the seat and carpet up to gain access to the module and the rainy weather is just setting in too, so not interested in messing with it outside.  Once I get the module out, I will try to find a used one with matching key/chip to put in it's place, swap out the chip into the new key, borrow the TECH II scanner and see if I can get it programmed and hopefully running!  If I've left anything out, please jump in and point me in the right direction.  Almost forgot, there was mention of the car being disabled if the alarm was activated, but no mention of what was disabled or how.  Is it disabling the starter relay like it does if the wrong key is used?  Thanks, RG
#3
Thanks for all the replies.  First let me say, I do understand what needs to be done (the right way), but that's expensive (maybe up to $1,000.00) if taken to dealer or independent, no way around it.  If I can find a used TWICE module with at least one matching chip, then that would bring the cost down.  I've seen them on EBay for under $300.00 (but there's always a risk when going that route).  I do have access to a TECH II scan tool, but have never done anything with a Saab, so it would be a learning experience for me.  I can remove the module for her and replace it with a new, used, send in for re-flashing one, etc. and I wouldn't charge her to do that, but I need to get in the car first without the alarm going off.  I was hoping that getting a key from the dealer that would open the door would also turn off the alarm, but it sounds like the alarm will go off even when manually unlock with a correctly cut key.  Has anyone actually tried just that?  Using the remote to arm it and unlocking the car with the key itself to see what happens?  I'm not doubting what I'm reading, but I've learned to keep asking questions as in the past I've been given conflicting information many times.  If the car were towed to the dealer, is the alarm going to go off when the tow truck driver lifts it up either from the front or rear?  What will the dealer do when the car arrives there, they don't have any way of turning off the alarm other than disconnecting the battery?  Is there a battery backup for the siren?  If I were to open the door with just a key manually, can I just pull the fuse for the siren?  According to my wiring diagram, it's fuse #6 in the "under hood fuse/relay block, left rear corner of engine compt".  If the alarm is set off, does it trigger any crippling effect on the car or does it just make a lot of noise?  So many questions and so little knowledge on my part about this car.  I would really like to help her if I can, as she doesn't have much money, so every dollar I can save her is helpful.  Thanks, RG
#4
I originally posted in the wrong section, sorry, hope I got it right this time.

My friend at work lost her keys for her 2002 95.  At this time, she can't afford to go through the procedure of replacing the TWICE module, buy new keys, programming, etc., big $$ when you have NO keys!  It's my understanding that the TWICE module disables the starter rely by not supplying a ground to the relay ground side of the coil.  Is that the only thing that's disabled or is fuel or ignition disabled too?  After looking at the wiring diagram for this car, it looks like if she bought a non transponder key that fits the doors and the ignition switch, the relay could be jumped while the key is in the start postion.  Just to get it running for the time being, the relay could be taken out, a push button could be installed between the two terminals, incoming power and starter "S" terminals.  Does any of this sound doable?  Also, the car was locked using her remote before losing the keys.  I've read that if the door is unlocked manually with a key, that will disable the alarm.  Does that sound right?

Thanks, RG
#5
Do these instructions apply to a 2002 95?  I have other questions and will start a new thread for that.

Thanks, RG