2.2tid picture says it all

[Norfolk Jim]

At last had it done and really really pleased.

At first I thought 'what's the fuss about' but then out on the open road it really come to life as smooth power surge fro 1500 up to 3250 revs with most impressive being the pulling power in 5th from about 50 mph. The speedo really rises rapidly and I mean rapidly.

Completely different delivery to my previously tuned aero but this really is amazing for such a small bhp increase.

had oil change this morning using Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40 and already noticed the engine running quieter.

Smiles al round but now noticed a sort of whine from the front bit like a wheel bearing as same in or out of gear from about 60 upwards.......puzzling but will get it looked at before the warranty runs out in month and half.

I'd like to upload this picture but says upload full!!!

[Max Headroom]

Jim I don't know that this site can host pictures. You need to put it on Photobucket or Flickr and link it from there - at least thats how I do it

[Norfolk Jim]

Thanks Trenchfoot

We were able to put small ones up of 200kb or less on the forum for 'What have you got'. Perhaps thats swamped things??

[CitTone]

Completely different delivery to my previously tuned aero but this really is amazing for such a small bhp increase.

I think the lbft is as significant a contributor as the bhp in this case.

I am interested in any difference between the Steinbauer P-Box and the Hirsch software mod as both appear to yield identical figures for power and torque (though I can't say if they appear in the same places in the rev-range)

[Norfolk Jim]

The delivery of power has been brought down the rev range slightly but pulls much smoother than in standard form and seems to have ironed out the Jeremy Clarkson comment.

[CitTone]

Pretty much the impression that I gaot after fitting the P-Box, then. I await your mpg figures with bated breath!

[collywobble]

Does anybody think it is worth investing in either the Hirsch upgrade or the Steinbauer box given the mileage on my car - 123K miles. Had full Saab main dealer service history to 80K, then Saab indy and now a local garage owned by a guy who is a rally driver. SWMBO drives it daily and she does like using the loud pedal to p**s off ( nearly wrote blow off but thought it may have been misinterpreted by some of you gentlemen out there!)  small boys with small cars and big speakers

[Norfolk Jim]

Colly - mine has done 120k and full  mian dealer servicing except last one, hence I changed oil to Shell stuff couple of days ago.

The immediate effect of the Hirshc upgrade was that it felt smoother drive from the off.

Mine was done on Tuesday morning before I went off on a site visit down near Godalming - a 350 round trip from here.

When I first started driving I thought 'what have I just paid £560 for?' but then after a while I noticed what was happening. The power band had changed and started coming in from just under 1500 rpm right up to around 3250 when max hp appears.

It's not a traffic light flyer but mid range - yep it goes and keeps going - best is in 5th from about 50mph it really gets a move on.

Going down I had a really really strong head on wind and the weather was completely attrocious with torrential rain but in between we cruised happily at speed limit  and 90% was motorway or dual carriageway. When I got there the SID read 45.2 mpg as obviously fighting the wind.

On the way back it was quite different with mild breeze and no rain at all so cruised home late afternoon in mixture traffic and arrived home with SID reading 50.4.

Since then I've been in and around city and the odd blast round Norwich southern bypass and I reckon she's about 2mpg perhaps 3 better than before but a good test is coming up next week as we will be down at Marazion near Penzance (you neck of the woods isn't it?) so a good 435 miles each way with good 375 being motorway/dual.

All i all I'm glad I did it as more relaxed driving with no areas of hesitation

[collywobble]

Jim,

Thanks for your reply, now the really difficult bit is persuading SWMBO  that it's a good investment and will make her daily drive to work so much more enjoyable.  Interesting what you say about the power coming in below 1500rpm as that is one thing that really annoys me about the car is the poor pick up at lower revs. I always think that 1st and 2nd gears are too low. Fine on the motorway though.

I am in North Devon, about 3 hours from Marazion and the weather is miserable at the moment had a thunderstorm earlier on. Have a safe trip, is it work or pleasurew?

[jmblack]

Been thinking of hirsching my 1.9 tid. Anyone got thoughts on value of this? Similar benefits?

[wrighar]

Since then I've been in and around city and the odd blast round Norwich southern bypass and I reckon she's about 2mpg perhaps 3 better than before but a good test is coming up next week as we will be down at Marazion near Penzance (you neck of the woods isn't it?) so a good 435 miles each way with good 375 being motorway/dual.

All i all I'm glad I did it as more relaxed driving with no areas of hesitation

6 hrs driving Norwich (Mulbarton) to Marizion (well Goldsithney 2 miles away where MiL lives)

Norwich
A11,
A14,
M6,
M42, (stop at services as it's 2 hrs in),
M5, (stop at Exeter services as it's 4 hrs in and last decent stopping place),
A30,
Marizion.
420m

Normally do it in 7 hrs elapsed, 2 half hour coffee stops, and let the kids (Just 3 and 6) go to the loo.
Average 70mph and 38mpg (2.3 Aero)

Normally do 2 or 3 trips a year

[banger]

Just caught up on this thread. Jim has been talking about this upgrade for a while and I'm glad it has worked out well. What no one seems to have mentioned is effect on insurance. I got a quote last year for this mod from Aviva and it was about an extra £100 just for the BHP Hirsch mod. If I go for it on my plain old Linear I hope to notice it in the lower revs as Jim says as I'm constantly selecting a lower gear to get the revs up to get some grunt. Time to save the pennies again.

[wrighar]

Just caught up on this thread. Jim has been talking about this upgrade for a while and I'm glad it has worked out well. What no one seems to have mentioned is effect on insurance. I got a quote last year for this mod from Aviva and it was about an extra £100 just for the BHP Hirsch mod. If I go for it on my plain old Linear I hope to notice it in the lower revs as Jim says as I'm constantly selecting a lower gear to get the revs up to get some grunt. Time to save the pennies again.

Aviva charged no extra for my Stg 3 CS Aero, it's still £183 a year Full Protected NCD

[banger]

That's cheap I'm paying £248 with protection and no mods, was 218 on my 16 yr old 9k.

[wrighar]

Ermm....

30% staff discount....